Again, so bloody what?!

Abortionists agree – abortion is killing


  • Mon Mar 25, 2013 09:49 EST

March 25, 2013 ( – “A fetus isn’t a baby.” “A woman has a right to choose.” These are often the most common statements a pro-lifer hears when discussing abortion with pro-choice people. “It isn’t a baby until it’s born.” “Abortion isn’t killing.” The rank-and-file of the pro-choice movement usually deny that an unborn baby is a human being with a right to life. Occasionally you will find someone who argues that the fetus is a baby, but the woman has a right to abort him or her anyway – but usually you’ll hear pro-choice people denying the humanity of the unborn. One word that’s always avoided is pro-choice publications is “baby.” “Fetus” or “product of conception” or “tissue” is how the aborted baby is described. It isn’t a life, they say.

But the people who know the most about abortion are the clinic workers and doctors who perform them. And many of them have come out saying things that would make even the most hardcore pro-choicers cringe.

In one article in the American Medical News that was probably never meant for pro-life eyes, abortion providers from around the country discussed the emotional difficulties of performing abortions. One doctor said:

I have angry feelings at myself for feeling good about grasping the calvaria [head], for feeling good about doing a technically good procedure that destroys a fetus, kills a baby. (1)

Baby? Perhaps this doctor didn’t get the memo. Pro-choice activists know never to refer to the “fetus” as a baby. You won’t hear NARAL Pro-Choice America or the National Organization for Women using the term “baby” to describe a child being aborted.

Another abortion doctor uses honest terms to describe his job:

A late termination is actually not very nice and there is no way of getting away from it, I don’t feel I am doing it for any other reason than for the best of both the mother and the baby. (2)

Again the word “baby.” Could it be that these abortionists are fully aware that the “fetuses” they are aborting are in fact living babies?

If there is any doubt that at least some abortion providers know that abortion is killing a baby, it is put to rest by British abortionist Judith Arcana:

It is morally and ethically wrong to do abortions without acknowledging what it means to do them. I performed abortions, I have had an abortion and I am in favor of women having abortions when we choose to do so. But we should never disregard the fact that being pregnant means there is a baby growing inside of a woman, a baby whose life is ended. We ought not to pretend this is not happening. (3)

This straightforward admission must have caused some consternation to pro-choice activists who read Arcana’s article. Few are willing to admit to the reality of abortion.

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One unnamed abortionist said the following in a book that profiled doctors from different fields:

Nobody wants to perform abortions after ten weeks because by then you see the features of the baby, hands, feet. It’s really barbaric. Abortions are very draining, exhausting, and heartrending. There are a lot of tears. … I do them because I take the attitude that women are going to terminate babies and deserve the same kind of treatment as women who carry babies … I’ve done a couple thousand, and it turned into a significant financial boon, but I also feel I’ve provided an important service. The only way I can do an abortion is to consider only the woman as my patient and block out the baby[.] (4)

In this short paragraph, the doctor mentions the word “baby” four times.

It is clear that many abortion providers know that they are ending life. They see the babies kicking and moving on the ultrasound screen and then see them later, in pieces, in the back room of the clinic.

Clinic counselor Tim Shuck, who worked at the Lovejoy abortion clinic until his death from AIDS, said the following to a writer who was chronicling the daily workings of the clinic:

I have never denied that human life begins at conception. If I have a complaint about our society, it’s that we don’t deal with death and dying. Do we believe human beings have a right to make decisions about death and dying? Yes we do, and those decisions are made every day in every hospital. (5)

The author who quoted Shuck never revealed whether or not Shuck told the women he counseled that life begins at conception.
Another clinic worker said the following:

I see more of murder the further along they get. Although inside me I know it’s murder from the beginning… (6)

In an article in the Dallas Morning News, abortion clinic administrator Charlotte Taft made the following statement:

We were hiding … some pieces of the truth about abortion that were threatening. [Abortion] is a kind of killing, and most women seeking abortion know that. (7)

This was a little too much honesty for Planned Parenthood – after Taft came out with this statement, they stopped referring patients to her clinic. Eventually, she resigned.

Reporter Leonard Stern spoke to Joan Wright, the owner of a clinic in Ottawa. She explained how she and her fellow workers were fighting to force pro-lifers to take down a banner that announced, “Abortion Stops a Beating Heart” and gave a phone number for women considering abortion to call for help. Stern confronted her with pro-lifers’ allegations that her clinic gave deceptive counseling to women. From the article:

She said. “Good grief! They accuse us of pretending we’re not doing what we’re doing? I’m in the business of death!” (8)

This is probably the most honest and frank admission by an abortion provider that you are likely to hear.

In his essay “Why I Am an Abortion Provider,” Dr. William F. Harrison says the following: “No one, neither the patient receiving the abortion, nor the person doing the abortion, is ever, at any time, unaware that they are ending a life.”

In reality, the fact that abortion ends a life is often hidden from women. The baby is described as “products of conception” or “tissue.” The abortion “empties out the uterus.” The facts of fetal development are glossed over or outright distorted. The woman is facing a life-changing, irrevocable decision at a vulnerable time in her life, and she is susceptible to being deceived.

Look at the way one abortion clinic (Summit Medical Center) describes an abortion on its website.

You will first lay [sic] on an exam table like you would’ve for regular gynecological exam. Most patients will then receive IV sedation/twilight anesthesia… Patients opting for twilight anesthesia are mildly awake, but should feel no more than slight (if any) discomfort, and usually have little or no memory of the procedure afterwards.… Just as with a Pap smear, the doctor will use a speculum to hold the vaginal walls open, and then begin the procedure of using a series of dilation instruments to open the cervix. The contents of the uterus are then removed with a gentle vacuum aspirator.

Here are more examples of abortionists and clinic workers who acknowledge that abortion is killing:

The owner of one abortion clinic, identified only as “Michelle” in a book by James D. Slack, said the following:

I’ve thought through this issue, to do it as long as I have, and I have to sleep well at night… Is it life? Clearly it’s life. Does it deserve protection? My answer is “no.” The bottom line, you have two competing interests: the mother and the baby (or the embryo or the fertilized egg). And sometime during that nine month gestation, a woman’s rights are going to digress. At that point, I guess, rights can be ascribed to the fetus. (9)

This clinic owner has no problem calling an embryo a baby. She merely considers the baby’s life unimportant. There is no doubt that she knows exactly what is happening at her clinic.

Abortionist Don Sloan, explaining the morality of abortion to his teenage niece in an essay that appeared in an anthology on abortion, said the following:

Is abortion murder? All killing isn’t murder. A cop shoots a teenager who appeared to be going for a gun, and we call it justifiable homicide – a tragedy for all concerned, but not murder. And then there’s war… (10)

In this case, the abortionist (Sloan has been practicing for over thirty years and has done over 20,000 abortions) admits that abortion is killing but claims that it is not murder. He equates abortion with self-defense and war. But is the unborn baby sleeping in her mother’s womb really an aggressor? Except in very rare cases, a woman’s life is not endangered by a pregnancy. And unless the pregnancy is a result of rape (which is a factor in only 1% of all abortions) the woman’s own actions (along with those of the baby’s father) resulted in the baby developing where he or she is. The baby may be unwanted, but she is not truly an intruder if the woman’s own actions are responsible for her presence in the womb. An unborn baby is not a teenager with a gun or an enemy soldier on a battlefield; she is an innocent and helpless member of the human race.

Abortionist Dr. Neville Sender said the following in a newspaper article:

We know that it is killing, but the states permit killing under certain circumstances. (11)

The clinic where Sender worked later came under scrutiny for throwing the bodies of aborted babies in the trash.

Abortionist Dr. Curtis Boyd, who performs abortions up to 24 weeks: “Am I killing? Yes, I am. I know that.” You can see a video of him saying it here.

Another abortionist, who remained anonymous, said:

It [the fetus] is a form of life[.] … This has to be killing[.] … The question then becomes, ‘Is this kind of killing justifiable?’ In my own mind, it is justifiable, but only with the informed consent of the mother. (12)

Another abortionist admits that abortion is killing but also tries to justify it by saying the babies he kills would have difficult lives if they were allowed to be born:

I have the utmost respect for life; I appreciate that life starts early in the womb, but also believe that I’m ending it for good reasons.

Often I’m saving the woman or I’m improving the lives of other children in the family. I also believe that women have a life they have to consider. If a woman is working full-time, has one child already and is barely getting by, having another child that would financially push her to go on public assistance yes is going to lessen the quality of her life. And it’s also an issue for the child, if it would not have had a good life. Life is hard enough when you’re wanted and everything’s prepared. So yes, I end life, but even when it’s hard, it’s for a good reason. (13)

Are these good reasons to kill a child?

Another abortionist puts it more plainly:

Abortion is killing the fetus. … Human life, in and of itself, is not sacred. Human life, per se, is not inviolate. (14)

This doctor has foregone excuses and accepted the belief that human life is not sacred or worthy of protection. He has no need for justifications. He knows he is killing – and he doesn’t care.

After talking extensively to one abortionist, author Nancy Dey writes:

Dr. Ed Jones (pseudonym) says it’s always in the back of his mind that he is terminating a life. (15)

Another abortionist, Dr. Harrison, simply said, “I am destroying a life” (16). This doctor has performed over 20,000 abortions.

Dr. William Rashbaum performed thousands of abortions before his death in 2005. He revealed to an interviewer that he was haunted by a recurring nightmare of an unborn baby hanging on to the uterine wall with its tiny fingernails, fighting to stay inside. When asked how he dealt with this dream, he said, “Learned to live with it. Like people in concentration camps.”

The interviewer then asked if he really meant that metaphor:

I think it’s apt – destruction of life. Look! I’m a person, I’m entitled to my feelings. And my feelings are who gave me or anybody the right to terminate a pregnancy? I’m entitled to that feeling, but I also have no right communicating it to the patient who desperately wants that abortion. I don’t get paid for my feelings. I get paid for my skills… I’ll be frank. I began to do abortions in large numbers at the time of my divorce when I needed money. But I also believe in the woman’s right to control their biological destiny. I spent a lot of years learning to deliver babies. Sure, it sometimes hurts to end life instead of bringing it into the world. (17)

Rashbaum knew that abortion takes a life, but he never mentioned this to the women who were coming in for abortions. One can only wonder about the psychological strain of equating oneself with a Nazi, with knowing that you end babies’ lives for a living.

Pro-choice writer Miriam Claire interviewed several abortion providers for a book she wrote. One of them, Dr. Bertram Wainer, said the following:

My whole professional training was to prolong life, to nurture and protect it. Abortion is clearly at odds with that ethos … [yet] I have never refused to perform an abortion because of any personal conflict[.] (18)

There are other examples of abortionists and clinic workers who admitted that abortion ends lives. Magda Denes, a pro-choice author, interviewed a number of doctors and clinic workers in her book In Necessity and Sorrow: Life and Death Inside an Abortion Hospital. Every doctor she interviewed, and many of the clinic workers, admitted at some point during the interviews that they regarded abortion as murder. One doctor said:

It [abortion] goes against all things which are natural. It’s a termination of a life, however you look at it. (18)

There are similar quotes throughout the book.

There is no way to know for whether or not these doctors and clinic administrators are representative of all abortion providers. But it is clear that many, if not most, abortion providers know that they kill. It is also clear that the average pro-choice person, who argues in support of allowing these men and women to continue practicing, has no awareness of the truth that so many abortion providers know – that abortion kills babies.

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  1. Diane M. Gianelli, “Abortion Providers Share Inner Conflicts,” American Medical News, July 12, 1993
  2. Religion and Ethics: 12-28-2005. Quoted by Life Dynamics
  3. Judith Arcana “Feminist Politics and Abortion in the US” Pro-Choice
    Forum (Psychology and Reproductive Choice) Sponsored by The Society for the Psychology of Women.
  4. John Pekkanen. M.D.: Doctors Talk About Themselves (Delcorte Press: New York, 1988)  90-91
  5. Peter Korn. Lovejoy: A Year in the Life of an Abortion Clinic (The Atlantic Monthly Press: New York, 1996) p 94
  6. James Tunstead Burtechaell, C.S.C. Rachel Weeping: the Case against
    Abortion (San Francisco, CA: Harper & Row Publishers, 1982) 135 – 136
  7. “Abortion rights activist resigns as clinic director; Taft cites differences with Routh Street owner” Dallas Morning News 2/2/1995
  8. Leonard Stern “Abortion Wars” The Ottawa Citizen Sun 28 May 2000
  9. James D Slack Abortion, Execution, and the Consequences of Taking Life (New Brunswick: Transaction Publishers, 2009) 49
  10. Tamara L. Roleff. Abortion: Opposing Viewpoints (Greenhaven Press: San Diego 1997) 25
  11. John Powell, S.J. Abortion: The Silent Holocaust (Argus Communications: Allen, Tx) 1981, p 66
  12. Democrat & Chronicle 7/5/92
  13. Cheryl Alkon “Confessions of an Abortion Doctor” Boston Magazine December 2004
  14. Abortionist “Dr. Smith” (Pseudonym) . Leo Wang “The Abortionist”
    Berkeley Medical Journal Spring 1995
  15. Nancy Dey Abortion: Debating the Issue (Enslow Publishers: Springfield, IL 1995)  49
  16. Nat Hentoff “An Abortionist’s World: How to Rationalize
    Inhumanity” The Washington Times Febuary 6, 2006. Citing Stephanie Simon “Offering Abortion, Rebirth” Los Angeles Times November 29, 2005
  17. Norma Rosen “Between Guilt and Gratification: Abortion Doctors
    Reveal Their Feelings,” New York Times Magazine April 17, 1977 p 73, 74, 78
  18. Miriam Claire The Abortion Dilemma: Personal Views on a Public Issue. (Insight Books: New York) 1995, p 30
  19. Magda Denes, PhD. In Necessity and Sorrow: Life and Death Inside an Abortion Hospital (Basic Books, Inc.: New York 1976)147

Comment: Pay special attention to:

But is the unborn baby sleeping in her mother’s womb really an aggressor? Except in very rare cases, a woman’s life is not endangered by a pregnancy. And unless the pregnancy is a result of rape (which is a factor in only 1% of all abortions) the woman’s own actions (along with those of the baby’s father) resulted in the baby developing where he or she is. The baby may be unwanted, but she is not truly an intruder if the woman’s own actions are responsible for her presence in the womb.

Yes, the baby is an aggressor, yes, the baby is an intruder. It is sheer hypocrisy to mention the woman’s own actions, because if abstinence/celibacy was viable for most people instead of a dedicated minority of priests and other ascetics, Catholics  (and the like) wouldn’t  have large families. If mass celibacy was viable, banning abortion wouldn’t help to increase birthrates, a goal openly stated when fighting a rising median age, a demography lopsided to old.

Nevertheless, the hard fact is that elderly poople with dementia are in the same class as the fetuses. Not just ethically, but also demographically, killing is a two-way street.

12 thoughts on “Again, so bloody what?!

  1. Actually, the reason some Catholic (and other Christian) families are very large is because they believe God wants them to have a large family. Other couples simply want to have lots of kids because they like large families. There is nothing wrong with that, since it is, after all, their choice.

    1. In other words, even if they considered birth control and abortion to be morally acceptable, they would still have large families? Possibly, after all, as you said many see large families as a positive good to be pursued either for religious or personal reasons. That is their choice, and I respect that. However, in that case they can no longer claim that self-control is a value in its own, or that is a viable option for everyone.

      1. Sorry but if you knew anything about Natural Family Planning that practicing Catholics use, then you would know there is a ton of self control involved. I am Catholic have been married for 1 /12 years and have chose self control over birth control when I am in my fertile days. Those are the days when self control is the hardest option. And not only catholics use natural methods of planning pregnancy. And some Catholics wait much longer or just choose not to have large families. I do want a large family but I know how to time it using self control. NFP has helped me enormously through getting to know my body and actually recognizing health problems and solving them as well.

      2. There are multiple and very sucessful ways of protecting yourself from an unwanted pregnancy that do not involve killing a baby. But even if one had no concern for the human in their belly, there are a whole host of reasons abortion is not there to protect anyone. Between the damage often done to the uterus and cervix, there are enormous physical and emotional implications to the mother including the unstable state of the cells in a preg termination, increased susceptibility to breast, cervical and uterine cancers and the staggering data of women dealing with depression. deep depression and even PTSD after the procedures. All of these implications assume the abortion doctor is a caring and concerned individual. Unfortunately, as many cases right now in US courts display, the grand payday abortion provides has drawn a slew of “providers” whose clinics neither comply with even state regulations, nor whose staff have even adequate training in the required medical procedures to ensure the safety of the women attending the clinic for abortions. See Kermitt Gosnell. If we want to protect women, we need them to protect their own bodies. Abstinence may not seem viable, tho I know many (including myself) who saw this as no problem till I was married, but there are many ways to ensure that women do not risk their own health and bodies to satisfy the pocketbooks of those who tease of a quick fix and in fact offer little that is a fix, and solutions that can torment women for the rest of their lives!!

      3. actually staying married to one person and having children together requires quite some strong self-control and self-discipline. if those catholics were sleeping around and proclaiming that everyone should have self-control, that would have been hypocritical (and it is, for those who do it)
        it’s no coincidence that sexual self-control and marriage go together. they are supposed to.

      4. so let me understand this you seem to forget what personal responsibility is? i live in reality people have sex. apparently a lot of unprotected sex cause its something like 6 million abortions since the 70s…nasty people then they wonder why there catching stds left and right .all these feminists walking into planed parenthood to have there abortions seem to miss the huge jar of free condoms that every pp has on there counter …or the fact that they will give you birth control… dose PP not do tubal ligation any more??? there’s even this new one insurance covers your in and out of there office the same day they put coils into your tubes if it goes right 3 months later your worry free. is there a sudden shortage of urologists to preform a 15 min vecetemy on your multiple boyfriends?? personally id rather pay for your one time sterilization then to continuous blindness to the extermination the product of your selfishness. buy a dildo and shut up. they want to defend there barbaric behavior with none sense talking about what Catholics dont want them to do and then follow what the catholic dont want them to do (ie dont take birth control) be stupid anyway. if your busy promoting everything else PP dose then practice what you preach, go get your depo on time stop blaming religion for your stupidity. open your eyes and see there is a problem . the last time 6 million people died we saw it as injustice. get over your selves and take some responsibility for yourselves , if birth control is so great then use it or keep your mouths closed along with your legs

  2. Your conclusion makes no sense at all. “It is sheer hypocrisy to mention the woman’s own actions [leading to pregnancy]…” What woman DOES NOT know that sex could lead to pregnancy? (Unless mentally incapable…which is not what we are talking about here.) That is the most absurd thing I have ever heard. Plenty of people (non-catholics or nuns) practice celibacy. The problem with many is that they don’t want to deal with the consequences of their wanton actions. If you have sex, it is also possible to catch AIDS, herpes and a host of other things. Should the woman/man blame the virus or their own personal decision to have sex for the outcome? It’s a risk you take! It’s time for people to take responsibility for what they do and stop blaming (KILLING) the innocent party involved.

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